I'm officially disappointed. Remington recommends repriming their brass 5 times, although they have gone up to 12 times. Remington 700 Ultimate Muzzleloader at the range, Re: Remington 700 Ultimate Muzzleloader at the range. The result allows the shooter to load up to 200 grains of powder for increased range, energy, and on-game performance. Bore looks good and will make someone a great hunting package. Remington Ultimate Muzzleloader -Remington has redefined the muzzleloader/ doubling your effective range and rivaling most centerfire for game-dropping performance. not impressed but not surprised from Remington now days haven't been impressed by them for a long time. Love the Steiner Nighthunter Xtreme scope. This muzzleloader will be shooting a 250gr Parker Balistic Extreme bullet at approx. His confidence was well-founded. 4" @ 50 yds with Alliant and about 3 " with Blackhorn. Rifle is used, has some handling marks and blemishes from being used. For a $1300 msrp, you can build a nice smokeless 700 for that. Apr 21, 2014 #1 BigD_625 New Member. Past Hunting Indiana Youth Hunts. I hold-true to 150 yards or less and powder volumes to match it, during muzzleloader season. First, I dont care much for Sabots. ScoutLook Editor Josh Dahlke introduces the new Remington 700 Ultimate Muzzleloader. I am reluctant to ever change guns but am switching to the Remington Ultimate. Remington 700 Ultimate Muzzleloader Loads. ScoutLook Editor Josh Dahlke shoots the Remington 700 Ultimate Muzzleloader at 100, 200 and 300 yards. THE CAMPFIRE. That said, I believe this new Remington 700 Ultimate Muzzleloader is a fine gun. just following the lead of cva Thompson center and traditions. Next Last. Passed up a few small bucks. He has done a lot of testing of the Remington Ultimate. Traditions Vortek Strikerfire LDR. You are using an out of date browser. I watched the video of the hog killing and they didn't even show the kill?................crap of a video. If they weren't going to make it smokeless why not build it on a 783 action to lower the price? Lost in the woods. I wonder how much of a kick you get with 200 grains of powder. C. ... A forum community dedicated to Smith & Wesson firearm owners and enthusiasts. I a looking into a custom barrel for the Encore so I can just shoot bullets with out sabots. junk.... 1300 hundred dollars.. not a smokeless guy but I would build one in a heart beat every day of the week before I waste money on that. He went about 50 yards after the shot with a hole through his heart. Please Read Before Registering. Next door in MS you can't give MLs away. I've seen lots of bucks, but all smaller. The report is under “Remington Model 700 Ultimate Muzzleloader Frequently Asked Questions.” To the OP, I owned a first generation Remington 700 Muzzleloader. Now we can and it is a real game changer. That's nice to hear Skeen. Then go with one of Boyd's stocks. I'm not sure though, this is the way I should go though. The same applies when I "once-in-a-while" bring my muzzleloader to the rifle zones for Michigan's Nov 15-30th rifle season/zone. It starts with our U.M.L. The Remington 700 Ultimate is a better gun, as it fixes the numerous design flaws of the Michigan Ultimate that are breechplug and primed brass related. Remington has never recommended Blackhorn 209 in the RUML. I mounted up a Steiner Nighthunter Xtreme 2-10x50 I bought from Doug. So I have considered using a Remington receiver, a Sendora SS … I'm not sure why they didn't make it smokeless. There may be something wrong with our 700 if it is that tight. I was looking at these muzzleloaders and they were $969.00 . Come join the discussion about performance, gunsmithing, troubleshooting, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Copyright © 2000-2020 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. He even reported about the breech plugs in both guns. Remington 700 Ultimate Muzzleloader. Referred to as a UML Ignition System (the “UML” standing for Ultimate Muzzleloader), it uses cut-down .308 cases primed with Remington 9½ magnum primers. I am racking my brain trying to get my Encore and TC Impact to shoot decent. While most of the really popular muzzleloaders these days (even … Remington then paired this innovative new system with a Model 700 receiver/ a vault of strength and the most trusted in bolt-action history. Forum Rules and Guidelines. Gun is in excellent shape. That should be a big seller for them, ya right. Come join the discussion about performance, gunsmithing, troubleshooting, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! (Photograph by Randy Wakeman) These three are the most accurate projectiles in my Remington 700 Ultimate muzzleloader. If not, then the Ultimate is a better deal as you already have a good stock. The breeching system works like a charm and is easily the handiest, easiest to use, cleanest breeching array of any affordable muzzleloader on the market today. The model 700 Ultimate Muzzleloader, like previous Model 700 black powder rifles, is built on the time-tested Remington 700 action and differs only in its use of a muzzle-loading barrel. Drew an elk tag this year that is restricted to muzzleloader. Did get to take it for a test drive on a song dog. In the meantime, the creation of BH209 has brought the performance of "non-smokeless" muzzleloaders closer to the "smokeless", and I'm sure BH209 has reduced the demand for smokeless muzzleloaders. The result allows the shooter to load up to 200 grains of powder for increased range, energy, and on-game performance. Has leupold rings and bases. I think they are not a good idea. The first time I realized this was the day I shot my first deer with this Remington 700 muzzleloader. Ive seen it happen to several of them and Rem is beginning to stop warranty work on them if you are shooting Blackhorn. For that kind of dough I'll purchase another "hand cannon". I don't believe the average Joe will give that kind of money for a muzzle loader. Nowhere near good enough even at 50 yds. It is too light of a gun for these calibers. The kick on a moderate hand load is truly unreal . The Ultimate is also a more preferred single shot action. The Remington 700 ultimate boasts: accuracy to 300 yards... Having said that, my comfort zone with the muzzleloader (at least for now) is 200 yards. Apr 21, 2014 #1 BigD_625 New Member. The Remington Ultimate Muzzleloader is badass the other you listed I can't speak for because I don't own one. At 315 yards my muzzleloader bullet would bounce about 5 times from my CVA . I last had a muzzleloader tag about a decade ago so. Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3. I will bet that a bunch end up with smokeless barrels put on them. Thread starter BigD_625; Start date Apr 21, 2014; 1; 2; 3 ... New Remington 700 Ultimate Muzzleloader. I have one for sale with the b&c stock . What do you like about the 700 over the Encore? http://hunting.scout.com/story/1395762- ... ition?s=77, https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... _dM55a6FHY, http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/ ... ow-139216/, Anybody got some extra worm medicine laying around. It shot really well at 100 yards, where I … As a bonus, the Ultimate™ Ignition System allows the rifle to be cleaned without removing the breech plug. with a Leupold VX-II 3-9x50. The tested Remington 700 Ultimate Muzzleloader is a superb shooter out of the box, with no suspicion of hang-fires or anything less than instant ignition with Blackhorn 209. As time goes by, Remington 700 Ultimate owners will naturally come up with their own favorite loads, tailored to their individual rifles … In 1816 Eliphalet Remington was confident he could make a flintlock that was as good or better than any he could buy. My ultimate Muzzleloader shoots holes through holes at 200 yards with a 250 sabot 4 Triple 7 pellets I never really messed with any other load because it shoots so well. Yep. The report is under “Remington Model 700 Ultimate Muzzleloader Frequently Asked Questions.” To the OP, I owned a first generation Remington 700 Muzzleloader. I have one like you are referring to, but Remington now makes the Ultimate that is supposed to be accurate out to 300 yards. Remington Ultimate muzzleloader. Remington 700 7mm Rem. Reply. Model 700™ Ultimate Muzzleloader 150267_REM_CS6.indd 1 5/12/15 8:54 AM. 2013 … all it will take is getting the pros signed on and they will fly off the shelf. Well, if you have not had the ignition system upgraded then you are taking a big chance of ruining your breach plug. Overall I believe it will be a successful failure at best, it will sell to one that have to have the latest/new fangled trinket, but once they figure out what happens when I have to replace primers or purchase costly replacements? The Got my Remington 700 Ultimate Muzzleloader out to the range today. First, the Remington is a great muzzleloader. I'm pleased with the performance of the Remington Premier AccuTip bullets. Built on the proven Model 700 centerfire receiver, this bolt-action inline muzzleloader boasts a 300-yard lethal range. I also currently own a Ultimate Firearms, Ultimate Muzzleloader (predecessor to the Remington) and a Bad Bull. when folks get tired of cleaning ect, screw a McGowan barrel on & let er rip lol. Apply a light coating of Rem™ Oil to all parts. While the new Model 700 Ultimate Muzzleloader may look somewhat similar to the previous Model 700 ML, it’s not the same. Since I didn't get drawn for any muzzle loader tags this year, I have not spent much time shooting it. Shooting 200 grains of Triple7 pellets and 250 grain Remington Premier AccuTip bullets. That is what they should have done so we could just cut a .473 dia. Thread starter BigD_625; Start date Apr 21, 2014; 1; 2; 3; Next. (I'm not sure how elk tags are handy out in NM.). Thread starter BigD_625; Start date Apr 21, 2014; 1; 2; 3; Next. I have tried everything, different bullets, 5 powders and other primers. Got my Remington 700 Ultimate Muzzleloader out to the range today. I was never a fan of the bolt action on the Remington 700ML. Youth Forum. This buck was running with another smaller buck this morning @125 yards. In 2014 Remington entered the muzzleloading market with their modified version of the classic Remington 700. Last thing i need however is to dump another thousand bucks in a gun. Muzzleloader Forum . I’ll take 700 shipped. Muzzleloader Forum . Pm me if you want pics or text at 5404305218, I bought the bullet, so to speak, and bought an Ultimate also. From the left: Barnes Original #457010 Semi-Spitzer FB .458 300 grain, Remington 250 grain Accu-Tip, and the Parker 300 grain .451 Match Hunter. Also , I never got near the groups you are getting. My scope is a Leupold Ultimate Slam 3x9x40mm. Seems they make it hard to keep muzzloading easy. All of the notable custom manufactures in the industry that are building some sort of long range muzzleloader are using this basic system of brass case ignition and multiple pellet ignition. Don't think I'd a made it past the first scope cut. Shooting 200 grains of Triple7 pellets and 250 grain Remington Premier AccuTip bullets. I have read a lot about the Remington Ultimate Muzzleloader and associated problems. As expected, Remington's 700 Ultimate Muzzleloader has taken the market by storm. I just put the Arrowhead breech plug in my Rem Ultimate muzzleloader a month ago after reading what Encore said about voiding the warranty should I use BH209 with factory plug. 700 then you might come up cheaper! I decided to purchase the Remington 700 Ultimate Muzzleloader to extend the reach of my ethical shot with … 1 of 3 Go to page. Remington Model 700 Ultimate Muzzleloader . Forums > Michigan Hunting > Firearms > Muzzleloaders > Remington 700 Ultimate Muzzleloader Discussion in ' Muzzleloaders ' started by ENCORE , Aug 30, 2014 . Updated 9/24/2014. I get fliers for no reason to make mattes worse. THE WELCOME MAT. 2950fps using up to 78gr of IMR4198 with a 30 inch barrel. Not a fan. A couple of more states are considering "gun with what you brung". The Remington 700 ultimate boasts: accuracy to 300 yards... Having said that, my comfort zone with the muzzleloader (at least for now) is 200 yards. Using 200 grains of Triple Seven Pellets in combination with Remington Premier AccuTip 250 grain muzzleloader bullets, the Model 700 Ultimate Muzzleloader gives the shooter the ability to reach velocities over 2400 fps. Was thinking same. Save Share. Remington is just following the lead of the experts in the industry . I let the Ultimate Muzzleloader eat on a 8 pointer. Ignition System. Remington Model 700 Ultimate Muzzleloader . What do you like about the 700 over the Encore? Easy enough blood trail to follow though. The Michigan Ultimate uses large rifle primers in a large pistol parent case (.45 Winchester Magnum). Mag. The only difference from the Ultimate is the ignition system. I just put the Arrowhead breech plug in my Rem Ultimate muzzleloader a month ago after reading what Encore said about voiding the warranty should I use BH209 with factory plug. barrel for my Encore. New Remington 700 Ultimate Muzzleloader. NOTE: The bolt assembly should be lubricated with Rem™ Oil instead of Remington Wonder Lube paste for black powder. 2 3 A Tradition of Performance and Safety. Just more parts to get the same ole dirty as a regular bp gun and harder to keep clean, despite their claims. Lost in the woods. I decided to purchase the Remington 700 Ultimate Muzzleloader to extend the reach of my ethical shot with a significant increase in kinetic energy. It lends itself to putting in a "third" pillar just forward of the trigger guard. Amazing rifle. I bought the Remington UML (as of last Friday I now have two) to compare the three. I will be hunting in a state that allows optics, synthetic powder and sabots. $659.99 pl ...Click for more info Clean all parts with Remington All-Natural Bore Cleaner and dry with a clean cloth. I avr. The Ultimate Muzzleloader uses a closed breech system that provides a cleaner and hotter ignition than traditional muzzleloading rifles. The Welcome Mat. Although , very few have had problems with them and I would be happy if I could get 4" @ 100yds at this time. THE BARREL IS FREE FLOATED FROM THE FACTORY. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. To me the 700 Ultimate Muzzleloader feels and handles just like any one of my centerfire rifles, and that's what I like most. If they are cheap, the who cares but what is they sell out or something due to brass shortage or something. Remington 700 Ultimate Muzzleloader The Remington® 700 Ultimate™ Muzzeloader is Remington’s only muzzleloader, but that doesn’t stop Remington from packing this gun with the best features. This rifle offers a higher level of performance and accuracy than any other muzzleloader on the market. It's killed deer elk and Antelope all the way out to 400 yards. I sighted in my Remington 700 Ultimate Muzzleloader today using 120 grains by volume of Blackhorn 209, combined with the new Federal 270g Muzzleloading bullet. A .223 would be great however. Next Last. New Remington 700 Ultimate Muzzleloader. Personally, I judge distances real well. I'm starting to think they are not good quality. He has done a lot of testing of the Remington Ultimate. Any ides off hand where? If you happen to have a sacrificial Rem. My dad bought this sometime in the mid 1990’s, when we were still living in Nebraska. Using 200 grains of Triple Seven Pellets in combination with Remington Premier AccuTip 250 grain muzzleloader bullets, the Model 700 Ultimate Muzzleloader gives the shooter the ability to reach velocities over 2400 fps. Remington introduced the Model 700 Ultimate Muzzleloader several years ago as ground-up redesign with claims of 300-yard accuracy and power driven by a new charging system. Well, no deer, yet. Todays pro hunters and Accura break model guns are much nicer and with the new primed brass ignition on the REM 700, it's even nicer yet. He even reported about the breech plugs in both guns. Read some reviews on the Remington Ultimate and some weren't very good for accuracy, saying 2-3 " groups at 100 yards. This gun is not set up for this much recoil at all. This week, we’re taking a closer a look at the Remington Model 700 LSS Ultimate Muzzleloader. How much are the primer cases? I ask cause it seems like they purposefully made the diameter different so you can't just make them out of a 308 case or something. Jun 22, 2016 It should generate about 40-45 lbs of recoil. It's sort of like putting lipstick on a pig..................... What are they thinking? Mine is right in my hot little hands and I can easily slip a dollar bill all the way from the receiver to butt end of stock and it is the same as when I took it out of the box. Go. Much of the departure revolves around the new ignition system. Thread starter BigD_625; Start date Apr 21, 2014; 1; 2; 3 ... New Remington 700 Ultimate Muzzleloader. A bit high but I think I can get one cheaper. Just watched a TV show where they took a muledeer with the ultimate muzzleloader at 315 yards. The Remington® 700 Ultimate™ Muzzleloader is quick and easy to clean with its stainless steel, satin-finished barrel, and Bell & Carlson attractive, black composite stock. Definitely doesn't make it a 300 yard muzzleloader. JavaScript is disabled. It may not display this or other websites correctly. The new rifle was revolutionary, in that it could handle up to 200 grains of powder and used unique pre-primed casings for ignition. I have hopes for a New Mexico Elk hunt next year, I know a landowner who says he's got bulls and a license for me. C. ... A forum community dedicated to Smith & Wesson firearm owners and enthusiasts. I have the muzzleloader barrel and a 45-70 Gov. Forums > Michigan Hunting > Firearms > Muzzleloaders > Remington 700 Ultimate Muzzleloader Discussion in ' Muzzleloaders ' started by ENCORE , Aug 30, 2014 . Save Share. Go. Reply. 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